Quote from rane_nbg :

Interesting. I vote for option number 3
+1👌

Anticipate a public war over what is considered a turn and what is not

Quote from Antonnio Giovannazi :

I CREATED THIS GROUP FOR PEOPLE THAT WANT TO HELPS DEMO LICENSES PEOPLE BECAME S1, FOR HAVING BETTER EXPERIENCE IN-GAME.

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If you want to help me or other people became S1 you can leave a respond to this forum

These people are usually very helpful with upgrading demo users to S1 level. Please visit the link for more info:
https://www.lfs.net/shop/licenseselect
Hope it helps.

I recall encountering this error once during Crashmaaas event, however I have no idea what could be the cause and failed to reproduce it with any meaningful attempts since.

I see I really need to give more care to my Grand Prix Legend 65 mod and make a 1967 derivation of it so these two can compete together

24h or 4h? Post says 24, regulations say 4...

Quote from Scawen :

Please can you give an example of a pit lane where Formula US 93 (or another mod) speeds in the pitlane due to acceleration?

SUPER GP (https://www.lfs.net/files/vehmods/999C4D) at Rockingham Oval (or any RO config I believe).

Do a wheelspin out of the pit box and the limiter engages too late for the car to stay under the speed limit.

After nearly 2 years of 'sleep' I can share some bits of development progress I had with this recently.



Looking forward to see some diverse grids

Well, something is definitely in the making:

https://www.lfs.net/forum/post/2028516#post2028516


but no idea when we will get a chance to use it

This view shows the individual forces for each of the car's axis exerted on the individual wheel.

The colour logic is that the scale from blue to green represents the utilization of the tyre's grip in that direction (blue = 'zero' force applied in that direction; green = you are on the limit of what the wheel can handle), while it turns red the moment you overpush the tyre (for example slip or lockup under braking).
The yellow lines represent the weight pushing down on the respective wheel as you drive.

Some useful imagery can befound here:
https://en.lfsmanual.net/wiki/Advanced_Setup_Guide (section Brakes)

Quote from Avraham Vandezwin :

I don't know how Eric's current tool works, or what else needs to be developed to make it public. I'm not talking about complicating things to waste time.
In my opinion, a 3D track modelling algorithm and a few specific 3D object libraries would produce tracks faster than doing everything from scratch.
No matter the visual resemblance to reality. What matters is the quality of the track. In the track environments, there are always the same things (grass, pits, stands, etc.). A track is not a car . It is totally unnecessary to model everything every time. Having standard resizeable generic objects would suffice. And we would have quality tracks more quickly.

I'm sure the track editor has its own subobject system, after all you can see plenty of reoccuring objects across existing LFS environments.

Quote from Aleksandr_124rus :

Maybe, but I wonder how copyright and licensing extends to tracks? They're not brand names of cars that are manufactured and sold. That's a completely different matter. Like maybe we're allowed to use actual track names? Who would be against that? It's extra publicity for the track owners. Why not?

Well, I recall the first ProjectCARS game had fake names for some real tracks (Monaco and Suzuka spring to my mind) so there are clearly legal limitations to tracks as well.
And the even bigger issue is you'll still have to model whole track by yourself unless some big studio that made it with hard money kindly allows you to use their model...

The handle was removed to improve the handling.

There were few leagues/events utilizing that bit of road in the past - most notably the Round 1 of the 2022 E-Challenge season as you can see in the broadcast replay:



Quite fun place to race thru I must say.

Quote from ozz212 :

You should defo upload them, its a really unique track, do you know if its possible to race ai on it or no because the add AI driver button just doesn't show up for me.

Unfortunately it is not possible to race AI on custom layouts, however every year in winter we have a short online championship series, where we race FormulaE-inspired cars on these street circuit track replicas, simulating the FormulaE events to some extent.
We'll be happy to have you on the grid

Hope you like the layout, I made few more Formula E layout replicas we used in the championship, but have yet to upload them to forum in a meaningful way.

Entry number : 47
Entry name : FERAT Motors
Car: XRT (not set in stone yet)
Entered driver (Ingame name / LFSW name / Country) : [MRc] Michal / michal 1279 / Czech Republic

Formula E has the best track limits rules

Speaking of nostalgia, I did a small review of my '10 years in LFS' about a year ago:

https://www.facebook.com/micha ... 00/posts/4999071990117482

Had a great time going through all the stuff I've experienced in that time, so many great memories, friendships, battles, championships,... I don't regret a single second spent here

Quote from FIZ :

If you do take ANY complain as offensive, as "being upset", you know why NOBODY ELSE is willing to do any criticism.

For you is perfect as it is SO IT SHOULD BE FOR ANYONE ELSE.
Good way to make people wanting to not say things out loud anymore.

There is difference between complaining and constructive criticism, and sorry, but your post feels very much like the first listed option.
If you come to me and say "I think your mod has wrong drag values" I'll check and if you're right, I'll appreciate your feedback.
But you come and say "I think your mod sucks because it is not frequently updated and doesn't have hundred of fancy skins". That is not constructive criticism, it is just expression of it not being up to your personal standards.

And I nowhere said it is perfect, I had to cut some corners to make it work and already have ideas on how to improve the next championship.

Quote from FIZ :

Very good mods have multiple changes, because they are refined. I can provide example since for you this is new.

For me hundreds of updates being the sign of high quality is definitely a new thing. Almost like I spent half a year building it offline just so I don't have to spam it hundred times to the world.

Quote from FIZ :

Formula category is very important.
More detailed skins are important.

I agree on the category part, however I have already explained why this car is not in the formula category (even if it was a difficult decision).
However I disagree with the desperate need for having fancy skins, I thought this 'game' is about physics simulation in first place, which is where I spent majority of my work at. The car has full skin support and plenty of great community-made skins emerged since then...

Quote from FIZ :

I absolutely am going to not partecipate to such a counter productive event, where the track is not existing, skins are just colours, people drive formulas using handbrakes.

Noone is forcing you to attend the event that had massive impact on the recent evolution of LFS, where tracks are highly accurate replicas of their real counterparts (even if we are essentially racing on a massive parking lot), where the field is very coulourful due to proper skin support,...

Seeing your concern over the singleseater with handbrake, I can imagine that if it was 2013 today, you would accuse me of making shit up, because there is no such thing as an electric-powered formula car and I make the game so 'unrealistic'.

Quote from FIZ :

What you missed in my post is that this mod is below acceptable condition to be included in a proper SIMULATIVE racing competition.
If you are not able to understand the word simulation, that's why you can't comprehend what I said.

Absolutely below acceptable condition indeed. In a world of mods lacking shadows, skin support, proper driver animation, having questionable physics, this one is clearly poorly done.

I think we have different opinion on what 'simulation' atually is.
You seem to feel that simulation is "an attempt to replicate something from the real world as closely as possible at all costs".
Meanwhile to me a simulation is a solution to a question of "what would happen if 'this' was done in the real world?" The simulation uses real-world physics equations and assumptions to tell us how such cars would behave if they did exist (EV singleseaters already exist and while there are not any with handbrake, it is still technologically possible even if no-one has done it and it definitely is not a reason why we should not be allowed to try it in this simulation).
In that case trying to comprehend what you are trying to say is pretty much impossible...

Or should I approach Kerbal Space Program developers and tell them to scrap their work because their imaginative in-game solar system is significantly downscaled and therefore inaccurate, unenjoyable and worthless?

Quote from FIZ :

Can you please do me an example of something on LFS more important than the bigger problems in the world?

Apparently a formula car with handbrake.

I appeciate your concerns over my creations and the well-being if LFS.

Let me break it down for you:

Quote from FIZ :

If I search for a formula, I expect to find formulas, it is that simple.

Surely would be handy to have formula class vehicles with lights support, but until then the car has to stay in different vehicle class for reasons specified above. Deal with it.

Quote from FIZ :

it has 3/5 stars votes

Well, before the rating got flooded with 1-star votes from guys upset that the car got the 'approved' shortly after its release (for the record I did not request it), it was sitting at pretty good rating of around 4,5 stars. Now it has 'only' 3,6 stars because some kids simply couldn't handle their tantrum...
But unlike you, I don't mind as I know what this car is worth of regardless of the review-bombing.

Quote from FIZ :

very few updates

Almost like having few updates is a bad thing... Unlike most 'modders' here who upload the mod as soon as they put the sketchfab-laundered 3D model onto random LFS wheels and then reupload it with little tweaks frequently (essentially just spamming our hard drives and the main server depository), this vehicle was in development for nearly half a year before it even went online and as a consequence most errors have been caught in that phase. Since the release there was single update containing the fixes for few things that were unnoticed and one more is scheduled for the next week. No other updates are needed so I don't see a single reason why there should be many...

Quote from FIZ :

no real skins

The vehicle has full skin support and there are tons of great skins made by the E-Challenge competitors
(https://www.lfs.net/forum/thre ... E-Challenge-2023----Skins)
The default skins are very elementary, but they are sufficient; don't understand your upset about it.

Quote from FIZ :

it has a horn and a handbrake (btw some pilot used it during the last race on march 12th, I saw it clearly and the commentator too!!).

Yes, it has horn and handbrake, so what? Although not intended, I'm not losing my mind over that, there are way bigger problems in the world than a virtual formula car with horn and you seem to be the only one who gets hurt from it. And it has handbrake as well, because why not? I'm aware it is there, competitors are aware it is there, we did not ban its use in the championship, so I don't know where's the big deal.
I could make AWD formula car (which is actually very possible with EV powertrains as well) and you can't stop me from doing so. I'm here to make new stuff while you are here to complain, that's why I'm running a very unique racing championship and you are writing sad posts...

Quote from FIZ :

It was not enough already knowing the weather change is "simulated" changing tires.
LFS is gone fully arcade and nobody cares.. wow

I'm open to trying new things and pushing the limits of what is possible. And as a part of trying to break the sterility of LFS we are simulating wet conditions with low-adhesion tyres (Imagine that!! how unrealistic) in this very specific championship. If you don't like that concept, then simply don't join (oh wait, nevermind) and let us enjoy the racing with new variables while you stay salty about us having fun.

Or go make a better more 'accurate' car that does not stand out.

Last edited by michal 1279, Wed, 15 Mar 2023 20:08.

Quote from FIZ :

Why is this vehicle class "Touring car"?

Because I wanted to implement some illuminable stripes over the car's body - unfortunately formula class vehicles do not support headlights function, so to make it happen I had to switch to traditional car class.

As a consequence it also has horn and handbrake, but I don't mind

Entries re-opened after Round 4!
Let's have some good attendance numbers in Adelaide